A pet project for Nicole Holofcener for years (who was set to direct it with Julianne Moore and Chris O’Dowd heading the cast), the final fruition of a biopic about New York biographer-turned-literature-forger Lee Israel (1939-2014) shifts its director chair to her fellow female director Marielle Heller, CAN YOU EVER FORGIVE ME? becomes the follow-up of her Sundance darling debut feature THE DIARY OF A TEENAGE GIRL (2015), with Holofcener and Jeff Whitty taking the writing credits, Melissa McCarthy starring as Israel and Richard E. Grant as her partner-in-crime Jack Hock (all received their Oscar nominations except Heller).Scarcely there is anything exciting in Israel’s criminal peccadillo (apart from a tense letter-purloining episode inside the library of Yale University), who forges letters written by deceased celebrities (from Fanny Brice, Noël Coward to Dolly Parker, and the key is to fake their signatures, that’s when an Xerox machine comes quite handy if you have a pair of deft, steady hands), often inputting her own wits into the contents to raise the appeal, then sells them to antique bookshop owners to earn fast cash, yet, it is a fiendishly ingenious idea, because as long as these memorabilia can attract potential collectors, most of these buyers don’t give a toss about its authenticity, but there is also a catch, sometimes, it is difficult to fool a connoisseur who pays handsomely for their collection, also, you cannot sell too many items without rousing suspicion (that “avuncular” slip-up is really embarrassing). From the start, in the early 1990s, 51-year-old Lee is dead strapped, fired from her wage labor, once a New York best seller, her upcoming biography about Fanny Brice cannot secure an advance, living alone in her cluttered apartment with a long-in-the-tooth cat, her misery should arouse sympathy but any commiseration dissipates vanishingly whenever she talks. A curmudgeon who unabashedly professes that she likes cats far more than her own kind (and later duly proves that with her action), and apparently has no family or friends, Lee belongs to that rarified group of movie protagonists who is not equipped with any modicum of charisma, but that doesn’t make her less human, conversely, among others, McCarthy’s vastly lived-in performance makes every aspect of her humanity coruscate and bubbling with intensity and veracity, we might not want to meet a character like her, but nonetheless, she is there, indomitably represents the unglamorous, unsympathetic side of ordinary beings which narrative cinema often intends to overlook. The friendship between Lee and Jack, gels naturally from their common propensity of libations. But sex is definitely off the table because of their similar queer orientations, Jack, a small-time drug dealer who seems to sleep rough without a permanent residence, much balances off Lee’s cynical nature with his unapologetic flamboyance, and Grant has a whale of a time in inhabiting his idiotic, happy-go-lucky persona to the hilt, even in the final reveal of his impending fate, Jack is Jack, nothing sentimental or phony is doctored into their tenuous, but unalloyed bond chiefly borne out of a mutual necessity, once that phrase passes, Holofcener and Whitty script makes sure nothing wishy-washy remains. Many a supporting female performance scintillates with their own strength, Dolly Wells as Anna, one of the bookshop owners, is extremely eloquent in conveying the trickiest part to elicit a tangible romantic feeling towards a dumpy Lee because she peers through her prickly carapace and intuits something tender underneath, but their romance is better not ignited (which Lee snuffs it roundly), as not everyone in real life is prone to act against one’s best judgement. Jane Curtin simply kills it as Lee’s pragmatic agent Marjorie, who does not mince words to pinpoint Lee’s problems with sharp asperity, and Anna Deavere Smith, appears only in one scene as Lee’s ex-lover Elaine, totally shatters our expectation of a comforting figure when Lee seeks out her help, instead, she rams home her mixed feeling of bitterness, weariness and insouciance that persuasively speaks volumes of why their relationship has fallen through. Carving out an engrossing narrative and teasing out compelling performances out of an assortment of un-cinematic elements, Heller’s CAN YOU EVER FORGIVE ME? not just ushers in a new era of female filmmakers strenuously and felicitously tackling thorny issues like their male counterparts, but also brings a new form of character study to the mainstream audience, if we don’t want other people’s sympathy in real life, likewise, cinema needn’t desperately bank on compassion-inducing characters to make for a rewarding viewing experience, as this film beautifully attests, for what it is worth, humanity is a many-faceted creature.referential entries: Björn Runge’s THE WIFE (2017, 7.0); Hirokazu Koreeda’s SHOPLIFTERS (2018, 8.4/10).
你能原谅我吗?
通过她我仿佛看到造物主的智慧,因为这样鲜活有力量的生命不容易的生活着,让我们看到了人之为人生而不凡的模样,看到了光芒从裂缝穿透出的力量,看到了万花筒折射出的不一样的色彩。
仿佛一颗投入湖面的石头,激起内心深处的涟漪,唤醒内心沉睡着的老虎。
只不过她是真老虎,她有自己的武器,有自己的骄傲,有自己的信仰,而这恐怕是百分之八十的人都未必拥有的幸运。
感恩,世界上有着如此多不像我这样的人儿的存在,他们的故事都是我们每天观看的精彩电影。
李·伊瑟列尔原本是优秀的传记作家,出过好几本书,还有作品登上过权威畅销排行榜,但由于她不愿屈服于市场,不喜欢在作品内外推销自己,以至于作品销售情况不佳,出版商因此不愿再与她合作。
为谋生,她多次改行但因性格孤僻而接连被炒。
生计无着之际,李将自己珍藏的著名影星凯瑟琳·赫本的信件售卖给收购此类藏品的书商。
不久她又意外得到另一封名人信件。
她将这封信架在自己的打字机上,在原文基础上添加了备注之后,把这封信卖出了好价钱。
接下来,她干脆凭借自己当传记作家的优势,开始伪造起她笔下那些传主的信件来。
不知不觉中,她的伪造名人信件之路就此启程,到后来她甚至从档案室和图书馆偷取真实的信件和文件,用她创作的赝品代替。
因为屡屡犯案,她被FBI盯上,回到贫困的原点,却收获了友谊与迟来的成长。
城市里穿梭的人群,总少不了为生活奔波的人,在现实面前,他们甚至要为房租、明天的晚餐找出路,世事并不公平,即便你很努力地活,却依然处于困境。
如果因为性格的原因无法与环境和谐相处,那就尽可能在有能力之时,为自己多积攒些资本,希望在年老的时候,可以过上相对自在的生活。
Rows of mansions,cubic office with rigorous work rules,old fashion jazz music.....you can make a decent guess about the location without seeing the actual neiborghood.And yes it's new york, again.From countless films depicting people living in this metropolis,This one is the newly update with similiar background but a memorable twist.New york is the epitome of big cities.In one corner,billionaire is drinking wine in Michelin restraunt,in another,charlatan is stepping on the bench hawking his wares.Everybody is busy surviving in this merciless capitalized junggle.Lee Isreal is this lady so ordinary that get no one's attention but made her own special story.When our protagonist Lee Isreal met her publisher,all she got were bitter words,"you can't success if you dont play the game","you can be an asshole when you're famous".A person have to work his ass off to climb the social ladder in this city or you be knocked out.Lee Isreal,whose books stood on the discount shelf,can hardly make a living after losing her job.But as the implication of her name and her unpopular interst on jewish writer,she would probably contrive some crafty ideas.And here it is.By selling her old letters,she explored a whole market of "originals".Her unfond skill suddenly became an advantage.Piece by piece,she started to make famous writer's letter that escaped the scrutiny of most people.Not everyone could imitate this.That's explain her cherishment of those fake originals and her anger when her friend Jack try to sell her letters arbitarily,"these are literature treasures!!"While revealling Lee's history of counterfeit,the story also shade light on her life and freindship.She is an lonely lady with a sick old cat,an alcholic with a gay drinking buddy, and a book writer with limited recognition.She share her secret fraud with jack and sharing became a bond of genuine freindship but when the bookshop owener want to extend thier freindship,the fraud become an obstacle.Just like she want to write book without concerning sales,she want to be a good neighbor but can't make her own room clean,all these contrary narratives somehow decriminalize her as a fraud but a midlle-aged poor lady who deserve some sympathy.When the final scripts rolls in,we know that her letters that personating other famous writers was so impressive that even some biography included them before knowing it's fake.Even an honest people may show a bit of admiration,at least i do.Another great story,wonderful music.Norah jones song describe new york city as a beautiful disease,this melancholy tone sing well with the story.When the film gives a few shots of new york city,it create not familiarity but a sphere of possibilities,you just don't know if the people walking by is a delicate criminal ,a talented writer or a cat lover,maybe all of them.
电影的奇妙之处是端坐屋中,却能尝遍天下酸甜苦辣的人生。
不看这一本《你能原谅我吗》,我压根无从知晓一个纽约的过气作家会如何穷困潦倒。
电影不是很好看,但触动神经。
开篇Norah Joans的爵士歌曲和身材笨拙年已51岁的失意作家形成反讽对比,同样是讲书店、书信,可不是那本经典的《查令十字街84号》的优美克制;同样是生活拮据窘迫,也无法够上沈三白芸娘的贫士风雅,这就是一个孤独得只剩下一只猫的爱的女人挣扎于世的故事。
触动我的是两位演员的表演,不露痕迹,真实残酷,才华横溢,同时获得奥斯卡最佳女主角和最佳男配角的提名。
女主不可爱,但让人同情,再卑微的灵魂也要有自己的一憩之地,更何况是受过教育曾经畅销的作家。
安慰来自江郎才尽后意外发现的造假书信技能又带回了久违的成就感,安慰也来自同是天涯沦落人两只酒杯碰撞的温暖和笑声,终究还是被命运欺负和碾压,自己的选择怪不了任何人,也由此写下了这段自传,成全了这本电影。
真人真事,无奇不有,此刻在世界上无数个城市黄昏时匆匆走过的人群里,不知道有多少我们不了解的人生,大家各自珍重。
自打我有了“滞销作家”的自我认识之后,就陷入了对“落魄文人”的迷恋,所以对于《你能原谅我吗?
》这样的片子必定是不愿错过的。
这么说吧,打从一开头,我就被它迷住了。
已经入不敷出的女作家李坐在那边,一面校对文稿一面喝烈性酒,所有的年轻女同事都坚信“她比我妈年纪还大”,她松垂的面颊因为太久没有好好清洗过,长满了红澄澄的斑痕,圆鼻头宛如迟钝的猎犬,偶尔抽动几下,要干的事情全凭直觉和经验。
随后,就有早看她不顺眼的上司走过来,把她开掉。
李的人生,也是从那时候开始变得一塌糊涂,让她努力要逆境求生的——是她养的猫。
为了治好猫的病,付得起下个月的房租,她不得不向旧书店变卖了名人信件,从此食髓知味,开始伪造这些玩意儿。
伪造一个假古董需要技艺,而伪造名人书信却需要写作才能,以及一个码字者最深厚的文学知识,是的,这不是仅仅有“常识”就能做到的事体。
记得前不久,我公开跟人家讲自己对中国现代男诗人存在刻板偏见,而且永远不会消除这种强烈的鄙视。
但是很多年前,有位年轻的男诗人得意洋洋跟我讲过:“我拥有一种技能,想模仿哪个作家的风格都可以。
” 因为这一句,我认为他对自身才能有着特别清楚的认知,便也不太讨厌他,甚至至今还保持着君子之交。
他讲的那种技能,我太懂了,它有界于“耻辱”与“荣耀”之间最微妙的存在感,可能很长一段时间内,你都会沉浸于这样的游戏,我曾经也是。
深谙文学营销之道的台湾文人苦苓曾经讲过:“如果才华不能换成钱,它就什么都不是。
” 所以对于“过气传记书作家”李来讲,用一台古董打字机,把信写出来,放进烤箱里将纸张变成陈黄色,接下来的生计就都不用愁了。
相信我,要不是这事儿犯法,我也想这么干来着。
因她的这种技术能换成钱已经不是重点,重点在于骗过所有“行家”的那种快感,这些号称“鉴定专家”的人给她亲手打造的赝品贴上认证书,然后卖给完全不懂的傻逼收藏家们。
这对李来说,是一种安慰,怒刷了存在感的同时,也证明不是她没有能力写出好书,而是太多的读者压根儿外行,无法分辨优劣。
于是乎,出自李之手的上百封假信以精彩绝伦的杜撰内容,近乎诡异的“实在感”流传于坊间,甚至被登上了那些名人的生平史料之中;恐怕到现在还有部分被当成真货到处展示。
也许你觉得奇怪,可这就是一个作家的尊严所在。
法庭上,李坦荡荡跟法官讲:“对于所做的一切,我不会后悔。
” 在这里,不得不怒赞一下李的扮演者梅丽莎.麦卡西,跟很多人一样,我是从肥皂剧《胖子的爱情》里认识她的。
据说《你能原谅我吗?
》最初选的女主角是朱莉安.摩尔,因为对人物的理解与导演相背离,后来换成了麦卡西。
我得说,这决定特别明智。
摩尔扮演李的话,你可以想像她得努力把自己扮丑,假装素颜,拼命往脸上刻几道风霜,以便接近角色。
但麦卡西显然不用,天然丰厚的脂肪和年纪赋予她的沧桑感已然够用,往镜头前一站,脸上就写满了“失意”,那种绝境浑然天成。
说白了,我反感聪明刻意的演技,更喜欢电影表演特有的鲁钝。
这位女作家浑身上下都是缺点,肥得油腻、言语粗鄙,工作能力差,不合群脾气大,为了生存还干起伪造名家手信真迹的违法勾当,最终上了法院。
可就是这样一位壳比肉厚的女人,却让人心生可爱之情。
有人说,如果她再理性一些选个好工作,生活不会这么艰难,有人说,她满身是刺肯定很缺爱。
不知道什么原因造就了如今的她,但是我确定她活得并不邋遢并不虚弱,反而比世上许多条件看似更优厚的人更加认真地对待生活、也更加期待未来的可能性。
通过她我仿佛看到造物主的智慧,因为这样鲜活有力量的生命不容易的生活着,让我们看到了人之为人生而不凡的模样,看到了光芒从裂缝穿透出的力量,看到了万花筒折射出的不一样的色彩。
仿佛一颗投入湖面的石头,激起内心深处的涟漪,唤醒内心沉睡着的老虎。
只不过她是真老虎,她有自己的武器,有自己的骄傲,有自己的信仰,而这恐怕是百分之八十的人都未必拥有的幸运。
感恩,世界上有着如此多不像我这样的人儿的存在,他们的故事都是我们每天观看的精彩电影。
There are actually a lot of similarities between the main character and myself: cat lover, has a job as a writer, not that neat a person, hard on money... Though I probably would never achieve her level of success (she did get her books published), nor would I do anything criminal.Anyway, midway into the movie, when they entered her apartment and complained about the smell and flies, I thought for sure her cat was dead...The movie is superbly acted, by both McCarthy and Grant, and very engaging and I think quite realistic. Sometimes the lives of others, even those who are pretty @sshole-ish, are just fascinating to watch.
很有意思,一个穷困潦倒的过气作家过着难以为继的生活,身边只有一只十分珍视的猫咪,猫咪生病了,作家没有钱买药,成为让她走上不归路的“有力推手”。
有些我怎样都无所谓,我的猫猫不可以受苦的意思,哈哈哈。
身为作家,只能靠模仿作家的书信换钱讨生活,可能一开始有一些抵抗的,拗不过猫猫生病,后来可能得心应手了?
觉得能够逃之夭夭了,更加明目张胆了,在被市场识破并列入黑名单后不仅让男人出面换钱,甚至直接想出狸猫换太子的把式。
最后,猫猫走了,荒诞的幽默也有些结束的意味。
看完了这部提名2019奥斯卡最佳女主角的传记电影:《你能原谅我吗》,太颓太丧了,剧情有点无聊,缺乏深度,给三星!
今年绝对是奥斯卡小年了,好片太少了,去年至少还有《三块广告牌》、《敦刻尔克》那样震撼人心的电影,今年提名奥斯卡的影片中我唯一觉得超棒的就是《绿皮书》了,其他的都只能说还不错有些甚至只能说一般了!
影片根据李·伊瑟列尔同名回忆录改编。
故事围绕传记作家李·伊瑟列尔伪造名人书信出售等事件展开!
如果可以,谁都不愿意在法律与道德的边缘徘徊,如果可以,谁都不愿意在违法与犯罪的边缘试探!
生活从来都没有公平而言,很多时候为了生存你不得不去做很多你不喜欢甚至是厌恶的事情,只要它能为你带来生存下去所必须的资本,千里马遇不到伯乐,才华无法得到他人和社会认可,孤独愤懑,便只能另寻出路,谋求生存,即使采取一些卑劣的手段,只是为了控诉这个物欲横流的金钱社会的不公!
角色挺立体的,题材也很有意思,画面很多时候很漂亮,就是不明白为什么会有那么多低级的视听处理,配乐满得不行,一要转场就加配乐,要不然就是很弱智的风景转场,看到连给了三个酒吧招牌的镜头我差点一口水喷出来
原来当个女作家再养只猫,老了是这副惨样。我不当了行了吧ಠ_ಠ。
8/10,普通观众很难理解不知名作家艰难挣扎生活和处于的窘境,两个演员表演相当精彩。
好莱坞最被低估的正剧女演员终于决定放弃丈夫的导演棒好好演戏了。角色刻画和叙事节奏上都极上乘,McCarthy特写镜头前不刻意煽情的嗔怒、暗涌、诡算、沾沾自喜,尤其那jazz吧里被美好光鲜吸引挑起的希望之光的灵光一现,直击灵魂。
无聊
一人一猫的狭促,让人无法原谅的自白。去井冈山的火车上睡不着,看了它,意外惊喜的喜欢。
真烂
2.5 / 男女主的化学反应是挺强的。但面对这样一个优秀的题材,主要的观感还是看到无数个可能的闪光点在我眼前飞速划过然后被导演一一精准避开变成最空泛的"C'est La Vie"式抒情,除了唤起我对原事件的好奇心好像啥都没做到。
一开始竟没认出来是“傻大姐”,感觉演技还挺厉害的。整个剧情没有特别大的起落,就感觉人物和情景设置的挺有趣的,但是好像都点到位置,感觉男女主一对基姬组合是挺来电,但好像也没有特别深入的交流场景,没有本来可能有的火花四溅。主角危机也没有爆发到无法收拾,总觉得差口气起不来。不过毕竟是真事改编作品的改编,还算可以理解吧。虽然故事没多少料,但人物设定和演员表演足够吸引人看完。
6.5/10 分。初看,蓝光。剧情整体普普通通,平平淡淡吧。。。唯一的看点是因为根据真实事件改编的,结果最后还带有怀疑。。。呵呵。。。以前看古董类的书籍和资讯,我就发现了,欧美对于首版书、古籍、书信类的爱护和评估的价格,远高于国内。。。天朝历史太长了,古董太多了,好多东西自己都不珍惜。。。
死气沉沉的电影,角色脸谱化,动机简直可笑,而且主角现状都是自己作出来的。犯罪还觉得很有理???why on earth要celebrate这种行为???麦卡锡演技也就还好吧,类似演技/角色感觉看过无数次,而且依旧是她经常演的grumpy offensive lady啊
如果这样纯粹小伎俩的(文艺)犯罪片子能轻易打动我的话我也太好说话了吧!两星给好演员。配乐其实也蛮好听的,但剧本总给我一种把一副好牌打的稀巴烂的感觉。
差不多可以3星但我莫名讨厌Melissa所以打到2. 其他然我厌恶的原因可能1.喜剧演员程式化的表演--或者说对“表演”的理解,说实在很套路也很肤浅--搞的“苦涩的幽默”都很做作。2. 全片忙于剧情发展都忙不过来,还非得要点一下孤独感啊不信任啊这些深层次原因---搞的让人很莫名其妙,女主到底是了解还是不了解自己的心理境遇呢,原本故事中很多有趣的点譬如现实窘境与精神无皈依的勾连,创作者冒险和体验生活的蠢蠢欲动,读者与作者互相误解和试图理解的沟壑 etc. 结果最后好像就是女主的自闭历程一样。我不喜欢。
看完压抑,但恭喜Melissa了,入围了奥斯卡。mark一句话:你能原谅我吗?原谅我的孤独、愤怒和对爱无能,原谅我一生都默默无闻。
7/10 90年代初的曼哈顿。Marielle Heller选择了一个非常温吞的角度拍了一个本可以大起大落的故事。Melissa McCarthy把一个古怪的老年独身酗酒又毒舌没朋友的社恐患者演得极好。女导演还是注重细节的。比如最后书店窗外的驻足凝视。配乐上可能有其他更适合的选择吧。
在香港抽空看了,有笑有泪,主角演技派啊!
技法娴熟的故事编织,却也觉得有些蜻蜓点水…如果是纪录片,不免唏嘘,可作为剧情就难免略显寡淡,同性和文采成为一种底色,伪造书信终究被发现的故事本身也难以赋予更多期待,人物性格鲜明却难以充分共情——除了对猫的部分,是啊,最可爱的还是猫~~~
人物可以理解,缺无法共情
白白浪费了一个多好的题材,剧本在各方面力度不够
这种片也敢出来说自己是影后种子?看来今年还真果真是奥斯卡小年。以及全片各种吃了枪子似的diss汤姆·克兰西是什么鬼?